The great and powerful Tricia Hersey, everyone!! What a joy and an honor it was to have this conversation with this remarkable woman, the Nap Bishop herself. We talk about her revolutionary book Rest Is Resistance, her spiritual work, the importance of social media sabbaticals, community care, tricksters, American maroons, restfulness as a means of political action, the brutal history that brought us here, the myth of mass-market “wellness,” and so much more.

Tricia is like no other — a multidisciplinary artist, poet, theologian, community organizer, and advocate whose mission is to spread the word that REST IS RADICAL and that “burnout degrades our divinity.” Her work is about deprogramming us individually and as a culture in order to resist the relentless grind. She wants us to break free of the cycle of exhaustion rooted in racial violence and oppression to take care of our bodies, our minds, and our spirits. Because, as Tricia reminds us, our bodies belong to us, not to a system.

If you struggle with allowing yourself the grace to rest, if you find yourself equating productivity with self-worth, if you want to know why being busy and sleep-deprived has become a warped badge of honor, this conversation is for you.

Tricia’s book is an urgent call to action, but it’s unlike any call to action I’ve ever experienced. It’s more of a call to inaction, which is in itself radical.

Thank you, Tricia, for joining me for this moving, affirmative conversation. I loved every minute of it.

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